Thursday Night Bo Wallace Update and Baylor's QB Quandary...
I've talked on here before about how I take a very keen interest in Baylor recruiting. I try to find out as much information as possible by paying for all of the known (to me) paid sites, following the recruiting services on Twitter, and talking to as many people as I can about what's going on with respect to Baylor. I do it because for all college sports, recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. Today's recruits are tomorrow's players, and today's star recruits are more than likely tomorrow's stars.
I will admit that given my usually heightened level of attention to recruiting, the ongoing saga of Bo Wallace has me even more interested than normal. Probably because, despite the confidence I have shown recently in Nick Florence on this very blog, I am somewhat concerned about our recent quarterback recruiting, namely the almost total lack thereof, and the depth we will have at that position going into next year.
Before getting too deeply into that after the jump, however, I wanted to update everyone that Wallace is still scheduled for an official visit to Waco tomorrow (now today, Friday). It will have been the third stop in a whirlwind week that saw Wallace visit Indiana Wednesday (he was offered) and Mississippi State Thursday (he already holds an offer). (The "update" portion of that sentence was the visit to Mississippi State. Even as soon as Tuesday, that visit was not scheduled to occur. To make it happen he apparently had to leave the Indiana visit early, which may show the relative ranking of the two schools, and my guess is that MSU put on a full-court press after the Baylor/Texas visits were confirmed for this weekend.)
After he leaves Waco Saturday morning, he is scheduled to head south to Austin for an official visit at Texas, which will be his fourth this week and fifth overall (the first was Ole Miss in December). According to the Mississippi State 247Sports site, Wallace will return home to Mississippi on Sunday and announce his decision next Wednesday. Whether that is somehow tied to Robert Griffin III's rumored announcement on Tuesday or simply a coincidence is anyone's guess.
I'm not going to write out a long, detailed post about why I think Bo Wallace should choose Baylor University over his other suitors. To do so would imply that I think he would read it, which is laughable considering I still have Baylor fans coming on the blog to tell me that they didn't even know this place existed, and that it would somehow affect his decisionmaking, which is probably even more presumptive. Coaches Briles and Montgomery, among others, will do a far better job than I ever could in just a few hours, anyway.
That Wallace is coming in for an official visit to Baylor tomorrow (now today) at all should be considered a victory in an of itself. Though I have stated that he is probably not Cam Newton and should not be held to that standard, he is by all accounts a quality QB prospect that Briles and others want badly enough to offer a scholarship (a relatively scarce resource these days) to play football for free. It will never be a bad thing to have the attention shown a prospect we really want to be reciprocated.
If I had to guess, Wallace's player-host on his visit will be none other than the man he might replace at Baylor, who also just happened to win this year's Heisman Trophy, and it is my hope that he and our coaching staff are able to convince Wallace why he should come to Baylor University next year.
After the jump, I'll tell you why I think we need him.
Assuming for a moment that Robert Griffin III does not return to Baylor next year, and though I have no inside information on the point that seems a reasonable assumption, Baylor has two scholarship quarterbacks returning in 2012. The first is Nick Florence, who hails from Garland, Texas and will be a true senior after having burned his redshirt for one half of play this year, while the other is Bryce Petty, an upcoming redshirt sophomore from Midlothian. Andrew Frerking, a true freshman that walked on to the team this year, could potentially get a scholarship if Briles decided to offer one, but if we get to the point where Frerking is a legitimate option for us, something either went very right for him or we are frerking screwed. In reality, Florence and Petty are 1 and 2 on the second-shortest depth chart possible for the position.
I am not ok with this.
When RG3 exploded onto the scene his freshman year, I vividly remember people asking if having a dynamic quarterback on the roster would pay dividends in recruiting down the road for Baylor. It seems logical that if one QB could demonstrate proficiency and experience success in our program, others might want to follow suit. As Robert improved and began to bring more attention to the program, expectations for our recruiting at that position only increased. It was only a matter of time, and year after year, Coach Briles and company sought out and offered scholarships to elite QB recruits from all over the country in an attempt to woo those QBs to Baylor as the heir apparent to RG3's throne. With the sole exception of Bryce Petty, they were completely and spectacularly unsuccessful. Petty is literally the only recruit signed and brought to school by Baylor since Robert Griffin III listed as a QB on any of the major recruiting services.*
*This statement may be somewhat misleading since Tyrell Jenkins signed with Baylor in 2010 before getting drafted by the Cardinals in the sandwich round of that year's MLB First Year Draft and signing for $1.3 million.
Before I go any further, I know the reaction that most Baylor fans are probably having right now. "Mark," they're saying (if they're not calling me something less complimentary than my first name), "you are doubting Art Briles. Every time you do this, he proves you wrong. Stop doubting Art Briles." To that I respond that I am not really doubting his ability to identify talented quarterbacks, I'm questioning his ability (so far) to bring them to Baylor University. So far in his tenure as our coach, he has had two QBs. One won the Heisman Trophy and broke every offensive record we have. The other is Nick Florence, who may or may not make me look like an idiot for writing this post. It's possible that even if we don't get Bo Wallace, Briles pulls a rabbit out of his hat in the next three weeks by luring a top-notch HS recruit (or a heretofore unidentified JUCO) to come in for 2012. Then I'll look like an idiot and we can worry about something else.
In Baylor circles it has long been considered akin to inspecting the oral cavity of a furnished horse to question what would happen for Briles and Baylor after RG3 left. Obviously, if the rumors are true that we will find out on Tuesday whether that is going to happen, we'll know soon enough. But I have long been uneasy with the fact that behind RG3, we haven't really recruited anyone of tremendous import to come to Baylor. Why didn't the strategy work? Why didn't someone come here to be the heir apparent?
I don't honestly know the answer to the question, though I have received many from my fellow Baylor fans. Some posit that elite recruits didn't want to sit behind RG3 and knew they won't beat him for the position, a theory that looks valid on its face until you realize that in 2010 alone, Texas A&M signed three quarterback recruits with Jerrod Johnson and Ryan Tannehill already on campus. Obviously neither of those QBs turned out to be the caliber of RG3 but having established QBs on the roster did not inhibit their ability to find more. Even after that, Texas A&M went out in 2011 and got another to sit behind the previous three recruits and Tannehill. Those guys had to know they weren't going to start, but A&M convinced them to come anyway. That's just an example of one school, too. Texas seems to pull 4* QBs from in-state like clockwork every year no matter who is starting or who has been recruited. The year after Texas signed all-everything 5* recruit Garrett Gilbert in 2009 they managed to pick up not one, but two QB recruits. The fact that one has already transferred out (Connor Wood to Colorado) and the other (Case McCoy) might follow is unfortunate for them but not really relevant. They got both of the birds in the bush to go with the one in-hand.
I realize that my previous paragraph contains an important fallacy that may be another reason we have not had the recruiting success we hoped for-- we are not Texas or Texas A&M. Both schools recruit, to varying degrees of success mind you, on their names, their histories, and their status as large state schools. Baylor has none of those same advantages. Even with our success this year, we are still building a program. Even after winning a Heisman Trophy and putting one of the nation's best offenses on the field, we are still answering questions and silencing critics. We have not "made it" by any stretch of the imagination, so to expect us to be able to sit back and watch the recruits jump into the boat for us is beyond irrational.
Like I said, I don't know for sure why we haven't had the success recruiting at the QB position that we expected to, and I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe Coach Briles didn't get the guys he really wanted and wasn't going to settle for someone he didn't. Maybe our recent history plays an even bigger role than we could have possibly imagined. Maybe the idea that Briles would bolt the job cost us in the eyes of recruits. Maybe all of those things.
I don't know what's going to happen next year in Baylor's QB recruiting. I can imagine that it will be at the absolute top of Briles' priority list for the class, especially considering the report I linked about our recruitment of Tyrone Swoopes (2013 5* dual-threat QB). That would only make sense. Maybe we get Swoopes or JT Barrett, another outstanding QB recruit from in-state. The odds are probably against us with both, but maybe we pull it off. Then we could be set for another 3-4 years and we get to worry about the heir apparent to THAT guy.
Hell, maybe RG3 decides on Tuesday that he rather likes it in Waco and decides to make this entire discussion moot by putting off the NFL for another year, building on his legend at Baylor, and transitioning to the next era of Baylor football personally.
Absent that decision, though, I don't think we are "set" at QB for 2012 and I don't think Art Briles thinks we are, either. However we got here, we have two scholarship QBs on the roster for 2012 as of this moment and that is hardly enough. We need a talented QB with experience to come in and be able to play in the case of injury or ineffectiveness. The bar for expectations for Baylor has been raised whether we know it or not, and we can't afford to go to war with only two real options assuming RG3 doesn't come back. We need someone else to come in, too, and I want that person to be Bo Wallace.
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Very good write up.
It poses an interesting question that is for sure. You have to think that Briles has a plan though. The man is a QB whisperer and if there is a position that I wouldn’t worry about, its QB. But then again I’m not sold on Florence either. I do think that Nick is talented, as is Petty, but to follow up RG3 is the toughest task to ask someone and I’m worried on how he will take it. One bad game and I feel like our fans could turn quickly and kill his confidence.
But the reason I’d say we haven’t had any recruits come is something you already discussed…we haven’t convinced everyone that we are for real yet. Last year’s 7-5 record everyone probably thought was a fluke. But now after this season with the Heisman and the 10 wins I think we could see much more recruiting success. I would love to get Wallace and start that success. But with the good comes some bad. Briles QB success certainly has not gone unnoticed and now I feel like UT and other schools will be lurking in the background just waiting to swoop in and steal our QB recruits like now.
To cut to the point though, I probably won’t get anything accomplished this next week waiting for all the recruiting decisions and NFL decisions we are going to have to deal with lol
Baseball is a funny game...
Here's my question:
If we do sign Wallace (somehow), then Florence would probably just be a backup his last year, right? That’s kind of rough for him [though I guess he could beat out Wallace for a while].
Furthermore, don’t you think this would affect the Tyrone Swoopes recruiting?
Still, I see your point, it’s frustrating to have so few QBs on the team.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
If Wallace came in, Florence would redshirt again (assuming Briles was comfortable enough with Wallace to do it) and Petty would be the backup.
Again, that’s assuming Wallace was the clear starter, which probably isn’t going to be true right away.
I see the Wallace situation as a win-win. Either he’s good enough for you that he scares off an elite HS recruit (by being elite himself) and then you have two more years with him around, or he’s not and you get through 2012 with better depth and can still recruit the same kids. He won’t be RG3, that much is clear, so if it really was RG3 scaring kids off, you won’t have that same situation.
"The hotter the heat, the harder the steel. No pressure, no diamonds. We compete, we win. We are Baylor." - Robert Griffin III
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'll just leave this here:
SteveMuenchESPN Steve Muench
RT @GregBag79 @SteveMuenchESPN How does RG3’s skills translate to say the West Coast Offense?
SteveMuenchESPN Steve Muench
He’s got the accuracy and mobility to run a West Coast scheme. I think he can excel in other schemes as well. Talented player and leader
As a reminder, this is the guy who rated RGIII as a 95 and Luck as a 99.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Oooh, also this.
Kiper has RGIII as the 2nd highest rated QB [shocking, I know] and says this:
2. Robert Griffin III
No quarterback is riding a better wave of momentum, and I fully expect that a team could be willing to move up to as high as No. 2 in the draft to get him. Great arm strength, exceptional athleticism, improved and now elite accuracy on the deep ball, and a ton of experience make Griffin a very appealing prospect. I think he’ll particularly shine when teams get to talk to this young man, because he’s got the intangibles, the personality and is a proven leader.
Grade: High 1st
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Interestingly,
that has Tannehill as the 4th highest QB [Early to late 2nd] and Brandon Weeden as the 5th highest QB [Late 2nd to middle rounds]. It’s early and there will almost certainly be some names from some smaller schools that pop up in the later rounds, but I think anybody who questions whether or not the Big12 was at the very least the second best conference in the country this year needs to take a peak at how well the QBs are grading out for the draft.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
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Mark, what is the possibility that Florence can avoid using a year of eligibility for his minor role played last season? Really don’t know the intricacies but would love for him to stick around for another two years.
Great blog, big follower but just joined.
Glad to have you here, chief.
Almost no chance on an extra year for Florence. Actually, just say no chance. The NCAA allows hardship (non-medical) eligibility years, but I can’t remember the last person to actually get one and I don’t know what the precedent is for the award. If Florence was going to get one, you’d better believe Garrett Gilbert would have already trod that ground (since he burned his redshirt in the National Championship game, can you even imagine?).
"The hotter the heat, the harder the steel. No pressure, no diamonds. We compete, we win. We are Baylor." - Robert Griffin III
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions

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