12/4 Daily Bears Report: Baylor and Bo Wallace, Big XII Basketball, Tennis, and more...
(I had a picture of Bo Wallace here, but it was enormous and bothered me, so I deleted it).
Another relatively slow day in terms of Baylor news, and I apologize for not having this up this morning. Things have been pretty hectic for me today, but that's no excuse! My almost nonexistent loyal readers deserve their links!
Because I have so little to share this morning I'm going to go back to the more narrative approach and not just shotgun links at you. I still haven't decided what people actually like better. Anyway...
A couple of weeks ago I shared a highlight video from Youtube of a JUCO QB named Bo Wallace, who played this season at East Mississippi Community College in Scooba, Mississippi. Wallace essentially rewrote the NJCAA record books for passing this season, amassing 4604 passing yards, 53 TDs, and only 14 interceptions on the season. He also added 5 rushing TDs and 206 after-sack rushing yards on 61 carries (including sacks). In the NJCAA national championship game, Wallace threw for 7 TDs and led his team to its first national championship ever. After the season ended, he was honored as the 2011 NJCAA Offensive Player of the Year and was named as the first-team NJCAA All-American QB. When asked about Wallace, EMCC's coach said the following:
"He's the best quarterback I've seen in this league," Stephens said. "If a player like Bo can't make it at the next level then we probably need to stop playing junior college football in the state of Mississippi. Bo's a winner and that's defined by the fact he's won 28 straight games dating back to high school."
This is certainly a person of note, no?
Wallace's is an interesting story. At 6'4" and 185 lbs. coming out of high school (he's listed at 6'5", 210 now) in Pulaski, Tennessee, Wallace's only two scholarship offers (according to Rivals, which ranked him as a 5.4 RR 2* QB) came from Arkansas State and Tennessee Tech. There was some interest with Memphis during his initial recruitment out of high school, but he ended up signing a LOI with Arkansas State and attending for one semester before transferring to EMCC. Before he blew up the JUCO world this season, to describe the D1 interest in Wallace as "lukewarm" would be to redefine the term completely.
That is certainly not the story today.
Since we last spoke about Wallace two weeks ago, his recruitment has exploded just as I predicted it might. Where once he had offers only from Florida Atlantic, UAB, and Middle Tennessee State, Wallace's recruitment has now expanded to include an offer from Mississippi State, an official visit to Mississippi, interest from Baylor and Indiana and now Texas, and official visits this week to the last three schools named. Wallace is reportedly in Indiana today and will fly to Dallas tomorrow before spending Thursday and Friday in Waco and visiting Texas on Saturday. Wherever he goes, Wallace will have 3 years to play 3, meaning that redshirting is not a realistic option for him and he will probably want to start immediately.
To be honest, the reason that I decided to update about Wallace today is not that he will be visiting Baylor later this week; we've known that was going to happen for a while now. That is not news. Texas's interest, though, is. People ask me from time to time why I pay so much attention to what Texas does and who they recruit. Texas is the extremely rich guy that sits down at the poker table with you. He may not be as good at poker as he thinks, and he is certainly beatable, but if you frustrate him enough, he's going to start buying hands because he has more money than you do. You have to know what that guy is doing all the time even when he's not playing all that well.
That's Texas, and they don't normally recruit JUCO QBs. After this season, however, and with rumors swirling that Case McCoy might transfer and leave David Ash as the only QB on the roster with any playing experience whatsoever, it makes sense that they would look around. I like to think that they looked about 90 miles to the north, realized that if anybody knows QBs it is Art Briles of Baylor, whose last three QBs happen to be Robert Griffin III, Case Keenum, and Kevin Kolb, and decided to go after Bo Wallace. If Art Briles is interested in a JUCO QB from Mississippi, it probably makes sense for them to be, too. Whatever the motivation, that rich guy just sat down at the poker table and we have to pay attention to him.
We're probably going to know a lot more on Sunday night about Wallace's recruitment than we do right now. It's not guaranteed that he receives an offer from any of the three schools he is visiting this week, though I would bet he gets one from all three. If he does, it's not guaranteed that he commits to any of those three, either, the scuttlebutt being that he very nearly committed to Mississippi State just a few days ago. They may still be the leader in the clubhouse, we just don't know.
I would caution everyone who reads this-- Bear fans, Longhorns, or anyone else-- that Bo Wallace is almost certainly not going to be Cam Newton (he'll almost certainly be cheaper, for one thing). There may not ever be a Cam Newton, someone who can step right in from a JUCO and lead your team to the Promised Land, again. He could, however, make a difference for a school like Baylor, who, assuming RG3 goes pro as is widely expected, needs someone to challenge Nick Florence for the starter's spot next year, or Texas, who probably needs the same thing even more vis-à-vis David Ash.*
*This may anger Texas fans to realize, but as I thought about this topic, I came to the conclusion that even without RG3, Baylor's QB situation is almost certainly better off at this point in time, before the recruits sign in February, than Texas's. I would take Nick Florence over David Ash 10 times out of 10 for 2012. Does that help Texas land Bo Wallace? Does it even matter? I have no idea.
UPDATE: UT has apparently offered Bo Wallace, so they're serious about wanting him. I'm not getting that just from Rivals, either, I've seen it confirmed on two separate recruiting sites (one Baylor, one UT).
An offer today is interesting for a few reasons. First and foremost, Mack Brown typically offers scholarships himself, in person, on a recruit's visit to the school. I don't know of the last time UT offered a scholarship basically sight-unseen to a JUCO QB before he ever visited the school. One possibility here is that Wallace threatened not to come unless he was sure of an offer, so UT gave it to him to entice him to visit. They'll then make the Ultimatum(TM) on Saturday if/when he visits. If true, and I don't know for sure that it is, obviously, that would be a very smart play by Wallace to pressure UT like that. Very smart, indeed.
UPDATE #2: Indiana offered while Bo was on his official visit today. Also, Bo's visit to Baylor has been confirmed for Friday.
Now on to the rest of the links after the jump...
Because I just looked it up, for those that were wondering when our MBB team plays next, it's Saturday at Billy Clyde's Texas Tech team (7-5 on the season). Other notes about Big XII basketball come to us today courtesy of our friends over at BurntOrangeNation, who took a look yesterday at the Longhorn's chances of winning 10 conference games this season, and ESPN.com, which did much of the same thing. I need to de-Texify this DBR, I'm getting nauseous.
Other news worthy of note in basketball comes from Missouri, who lost one of their last three remaining players taller than 6'6" to transfer. ESPN says Missouri is now one of the smallest teams in the country and analyzes how that could affect their chances to go deep in the tournament. The Austin-American Statesman also got in on the Big XII basketball frenzyy with a power poll of the conference as of today and a look forward to the conference season.
For a little bit of Baylor news, ESPN.com talks about how Baylor is continually winning ugly, something you probably couldn't have said about Scott Drew's teams in the past. If something was ugly, it was probably the losses. Baylor has played a number of close games this season, which could imply a certain amount of luck, and has relied on defense rather than offense to finish opponents off in crunch time.
Finally, because I like giving attention to the smaller sports from time to time when Baylor gets good press, the rankings for men's and women's tennis debuted today with Baylor as #5 and #6, respectively. Add that to our #1 WBB, #5 MBB, and possible, though not likely, top ten football and you've got an impressive collection of teams.
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Well done
My almost nonexistent loyal readers deserve their links!
Loyal reader here. I enjoy the blog and appreciate the daily updates! Good job!
Pigs have flown, hell has frozen over - the Saints are going to the Super Bowl!
We'll even let you touch the Trophy, Bo.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I had that same thought about UT QB's after the Tech game.
I would take Florence in what limited snaps I’ve seen him take over McCoy or Ash.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
From what I've read, if UT is going the JUCO route for a QB
They must think McCoy is gone. Mack said something to the effect that he wanted to keep his QB numbers the same and they’re bringing in, as of right now, two QB recruits, so someone must be leaving.
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 4, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I go back and forth on all of the close wins for the MBB team.
Normally, that is a sign of luck. And I do agree that Baylor probably should have a loss right now.
On the other hand, they have a deep team that features a collection of guys who are good at certain aspects of the game [as opposed to a collection of more well-rounded players]. What this means is that in late game situations, Drew can switch offense/defense with his lineups and thus give Baylor a big late game advantage. If they’re down 3 with 25 seconds to go, you see:
Pierre Jackson-Brady Heslip-Quincy Miller-Quincy Acy-PJ3
If they’re up 3 with 25 seconds late, you see Heslip and Miller come off for Walter and Jefferson and maybe a couple of other changes. This is going to bode well for the W/L record, but maybe not as much for the margin of victory.
That said, they are simply far too sloppy right now. I hope to see them improve as a team as we move forward.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
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*This may anger Texas fans to realize, but as I thought about this topic, I came to the conclusion that even without RG3, Baylor’s QB situation is almost certainly better off at this point in time, before the recruits sign in February, than Texas’s. I would take Nick Florence over David Ash 10 times out of 10 for 2012. Does that help Texas land Bo Wallace? Does it even matter? I have no idea.
hmm i dont know if i would take him 10 of 10 times (limited in my knowledge of florence outside of what i have read, how highly people like you think of him, what ive read, etc) but anyone should take florence 8/10 times for 2012
in fact, i would bet mack would take florence 8 or 9 of 10 times for 2012 only
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Damn.
All of a sudden, I am less confident we get him. =\
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
Some guy on a Longhorn forum linking to this post called me smug for this.
What did I say that was even the least bit smug, that Nick Florence > David Ash right now?
Is it even arguable that isn’t the case?
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Sure it is.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
I'm not going to argue now it though
Because I have a train to catch. Find me tomorrow.
"Live like you’re already dead, man. Have a good time. Do your best. Let it all come ripping right through you."
I look forward to it.
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 4, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Nick Florence is unproven...
Reminds me of UT’s former 5* QB Garrett Gilbert, they signed him and he was THE next QB at UT, and from what we saw (in garbage time games) he wasn’t half bad. Even after McCoy got hurt in the 2010 MNC game GG played admirably despite have almost no actual game time experience. While the stats were not flattering, GG had the team within striking distance until a bad turnover at the end of the game. After the season many people (not me but others) were more worried about losing Jordan Shipley than Colt McCoy because they thought they had a quality replacement in GG. This feeling is similar to what I’ve been hearing from many Baylor fans, while everyone knows replacing a Heisman winning QB will be hard, their optimism in Florence is so high that it seems nearly impossible for him to meet those expectations. Texas is hoping for a 10 win season relying mostly of stellar D, and 3 excellent running backs anchored by a more experienced O-line, I’m not sure many are overly confident in Ash but the Baylor expectation around Florence seem to be W’s over OU, UT, and TCU again, which is unlikely (not impossible but unlikely).
To say that he is better than Ash is just unfounded and premature, but at the same time understandable. Baylor fans have the right to feel confident because he hasn’t really screwed up yet…but still its not an apples/oranges comparison. To be far UT’s worst game’s this year happened with Case McCoy starting under center and were facilitated by a collapse of their top 10 defense against high powered offenses (Baylor and OU before all the injuries). Ash lost Mizzou (when Shipley and the 1st 2nd and 3rd string RBs were all injured) and K St (when most were still out or limited). The best loss of the season came against Okie St when everyone was healthy and Ash took every snap keeping UT in the game until the last 3 minutes. Their have also been multiple reports that Ash, despite enrolling early in Jan ‘11, was relegated to few if any snaps in spring ball (which started in Feb) and even less over summer in the unmonitored 7 on 7 practices by the three upper class QBs. So with a full off season taking starter snaps in both spring ball and summer 7 on 7s many could see how Ash’s crude athleticism could shine. So while it is very possible that Florence could be better than Ash next year, that has yet to be seen, however Baylor fans are completely with-in their right to feel good about their QB situation more so than Texas, who without a great game managing experience by Ash in the Holiday Bowl (i.e. no turnovers) would be freaking out 3 to 4 times more than they currently are…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
What I think you should realize
is that our (perhaps overly loud) confidence in Florence is really a reflection of our confidence in Art Briles. His version of the spread offense is very QB friendly and relies on talented, but not other worldly athletes at skill positions and veteran offensive linemen to help QB’s shine.
Florence looks to have just enough mobility to keep defenses honest [like say Colt] and probably has enough arm strength to prevent teams from stacking the box. I’d expect him to improve over the course of the year, too, though I do agree with you that expecting him to start off at the level of his excellent half against an unprepared Texas Tech seems unreasonable. It should also be noted that Baylor will get to use former 5-star RB Lache Seastrunk [who went to Oregon, missed home and moved back and was (surprisingly) not granted a waiver to play last year, but was practicing with the team all fall] to go with their other more experienced backs.
Losing a Heisman QB, possible 1st round WR, and another 3 guys (OC, OG, RB) who will probably all get drafted at some point is obviously going to hurt the offense. I don’t think any Baylor fan assumes wins against OU, UT, and TCU, but I think they are right to expect Baylor to only fall to the middle of the pack [still be ahead of Tech and Kansas and probably ISU].
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." - Jon Daniels
I agree with your assessment...
Baylor’s offense is unique, and that will help, however replacing Wright will hurt…
I wasn’t trying to be disparaging in my remarks, I was simply explaining what many of the Baylor fringe that is really high after the Heisman and 10 wins including the Alamo Bowl wins are putting out their in the message boards/talk radio worlds.
BTW Seastrunk was just a 4* by most accounts, but still a great talent…good get
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Whether he was on the fringes of 5*dom or a firm 4* is largely irrelevant.
Our staff wanted him and now he’s here. I am confident in their ability to use someone with his ability.
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 4, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're overstating the confidence in Florence.
I have yet to see a single Baylor fan that thinks he’ll step in and beat OU, UT, and TCU the same way we did this year. If they do, they’re being irrational. I also haven’t seen any that thing our offense will not drop off; it will.
You seem to forget that the Tech game this season wasn’t Nick Florence’s first exposure to game action. Not even close. Florence started nearly the entire 2009 season after Griffin went down and has been in the system for 3 seasons. Next year will be his 4th. If I am confident in him, it is because he has been here as long as he has, reportedly knows the offense better than anyone except Briles himself, and has demonstrated, in limited action mind you, that he can handle the reins somewhat effectively. Like I said, he won’t be Robert or anything close to him, particularly because he lacks the same ability to punish a defense with his legs, but I am confident in his ability to take a game plan in our offense and execute it.
When I said that I would take Florence over Ash at this moment for 2012, I truly meant at this moment, knowing what we know now and what is reasonable to expect to happen. Part of what we know is that next season, Nick Florence will be a fourth-year senior at Baylor and Ash will be a sophomore. It is not disparaging Ash or limiting his future in any way to say that I don’t expect in the next months that he will be able to make up and pass over what I see now as a sizeable advantage in Florence’s favor.
Does that mean Ash won’t end his career at Texas as better than Florence? No, of course not. Ash seems as physically gifted as you can reasonably hope and will likely receive adequate coaching to help him maximize his natural ability. He could easily surpass Florence statistically and in terms of actual skill given that he is so much younger and has so much more time.
I hope that Baylor fans aren’t acting like you say and increasing expectations too high because they shouldn’t. It took the greatest statistical season from a QB in Big XII history for Baylor to get to 10 wins, and it is beyond ridiculous to expect Florence to replicate that season. IF we can even approach the same level of success next season it will be because we have a better team as a whole, particularly on defense, not because Florence approximated Superman.
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by Mark C. Moore on Jan 4, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yep didn't realize Florence played 2009 too
thought that was someone else, heard about him trying to redshirt this year so assumed he was a different guy. So my Gilbert analogy wasn’t apt, and still I think yall should feel more confident than UT but as far as talent goes I think it may be a crapshoot next year, imo. But I think its still arguable, and yeah I’d give Baylor the advantage but I’m not sure I’d pick Florence over Ash in game 10 but for game 1 you have a good point…
Most of the Baylor fans I know keep rubbing it in that they got the big boys this year and I assume most of them are just talking a big game while enjoying their spot at the top of the state while it last so that’s probably why yall are getting some less than friendly responses…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011

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