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Why RGIII, not Andrew Luck or Trent Richardson, Should Win the Heisman Trophy

Let me begin by saying that I'm obviously looking at this year's Heisman Trophy race through green and gold glasses. I've been excited about Robert Griffin III since Baylor hired Art Briles and it became rumored that a four star dual threat quarterback recruit from Copperas Cove was coming with him. Ever since that fateful time in the winter of 2007, RGIII has been repeatedly amazing.

I present here an analytical case that in my mind clearly demonstrates why RGIII deserves to win the Heisman over Andrew Luck and Trent Richardson, who are in my mind the two other front runners. I'm not focused on team accomplishments, "Heisman moments", or any of those other esoteric or abstract concepts here. I think Griffin produced plenty of those types of unquantifiable things this year, and the other guys did too (with the exception of Luck, who doubtlessly is an incredible player, but has been riding the wave of preseason hype since August.) I don't mean to suggest here that I don't think there are any other players with a worthy case, I think Landry Jones, Matt Barkley, Kellen Moore, and Monte Ball, in no particular order, each have had great seasons worthy of recognition. That being said, I think RGIII, Andrew Luck and Trent Richardson are the three clear favorites.

Note: I'm not going to get into Tyrann Mathieu here because he's an unquantifiable player. If you want to argue that he's accounted for 3 "game changing" or "impact plays" in every game he's played this year, then I would remind you that Robert Griffin III has accounted for 45 touchdowns in 12 games (3.75 a game); so in my mind, he's clearly had at least an equal influence on the outcome of Baylor games. And further, please consider that without Robert Griffin, the best case scenario would involve some very happy bloggers who just saw Baylor achieve a 6-6 record and its first bowl bid in forever (Baylor obviously doesn't go bowling in 2010 without RGIII), while it's not hard at all to imagine that LSU would still be in the BCSMNCG without Mathieu.

I present a couple of charts below. Basically, I include Griffin III, Luck, and Richardson's averages in each game they've played vs. Division I-FBS competition. I then took each of those team's stats (passing defense for Griffin III/Luck, rushing defense for Richardson) and removed the Heisman contenders' performances from them. So in each case, we're looking at a candidate's average game, vs. a defense's average game against all other FBS teams.

These are quick and dirty calculations - so with respect to Richardson and measuring run defenses: Richardson accounted for about 55% of Alabama's carries this year, so I took his opponents' totals and standardized them for that amount of carries. If other teams use their feature back a bit less, he's getting the benefit of counting a few runs from poorer players: conversely, if any of Bama's opponents played a team with a running QB like Kansas State, T-Rich gets hurt a bit by those QB carries being included. Furthermore, Richardson has had great value as a receiver this year as well, but I simply didn't have time to look at RB receptions vs all of Alabama's opponents. I'll talk more about that below.


One further note: I did not cherry pick any of the statistics below. I chose these measurables without knowing how each candidate would rate. All data is courtesy CFBStats.com.

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(Per game) Comp. Att. Yds. TD Int. Comp. % YPA TD% INT% Pass. Eff. 10+ 20+ 30+ 40+
Robert Griffin, III (Baylor) 22.5 31.6 339.4 3.0 0.5 71.3% 10.7 9.5% 1.7% 189.2 13.0 5.4 3.1 1.9
Baylor opponents 21.2 35.6 249.6 1.6 1.1 59.6% 7.0 4.6% 3.0% 127.7 9.5 3.3 1.5 0.7

(Per game) Comp. Att. Yds. TD Int. Comp. % YPA TD% INT% Pass. Eff. 10+ 20+ 30+ 40+
Andrew Luck (Stanford) 22.5 32.2 273.0 3.0 0.8 69.9% 8.5 9.3% 2.3% 167.4 11.1 3.8 1.3 0.6
Stanford opponents 20.1 32.8 240.7 1.7 0.8 61.3% 7.3 5.3% 2.4% 135.6 9.8 3.1 1.3 0.7

(per game) Rushes Yards Touchdowns Yards per Rush Touchdowns/Rush
Trent Richardson (Alabama) 21.0 128.0 1.6 6.10 7.79%
Alabama opponents 20.9 84.4 0.7 4.04 3.50%

Remember: the opponent totals below each candidate's totals DO NOT include that player's performance (e.g. Texas's passing statistics do not include the results from Saturday's Baylor win over Texas).

Griffin III vs. Luck

  • First of all, if you can look at the charts for Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck above and find a reason that Luck should be ahead of Griffin on anyone's ballot, please let me know. This is a collegiate award, not the NFL draft.
  • RGIII completed 2.4% more of his passes than did Andrew Luck against a slate of defenses that allowed 0.7% fewer completions.
  • He averaged nearly 90 yards more than each Baylor opponent allowed otherwise, Luck only threw for 33 more yards that Stanford opponents were allowing on average.
  • Furthermore, Luck's explosive passes (10+, 20+, etc) were basically in line with his opponents' season totals, he had one extra 10 yard completion per game, while RGIII bettered each of the Baylor opponents' season numbers in over 3 fewer attempts per game.
  • Griffin III averaged 2.2 yards per attempt more than Luck against a slate of defenses that allowed .3 fewer yards per attempt than Luck.
  • Opponents were half as likely to intercept Griffin as other quarterbacks they faced; Stanford opponents intercepted Luck at a nearly identical rate to the rest of their schedules.
  • I didn't include Griffin or Luck's rushing totals here, but feel free to take a look at those on your own - they are heavily slanted in Griffin's favor.
  • I think the most striking point for Griffin is the following: Griffin had a higher passer rating against a tougher slate of defenses; in fact, the difference between Griffin's passer rating and his opponents' (61.5) was nearly twice that of the difference between Luck and Stanford's opponents' (31.8).

Griffin vs. Richardson

  • Comparing quarterbacks to running backs obviously isn't apples to apples, but I'm going to give it a go anyway. FIrst - I would note that Baylor ran 861 plays against FBS competition, and RGIII either threw it or ran it 58.1% of the time. Alabama ran 728 plays against FBS competition, and Richardson either ran it or caught a pass on 35.3% of them.
  • RGIII averaged 3.7 yards per pass attempt more than his schedule had allowed; Trent Richardson gained 2.06 yards per carry more than his schedule had allowed.
  • RGIII added 51.5 yards per game rushing against FBS opponents and 9 touchdown runs; Trent Richardson only added 29.4 yards per game receiving and 2 touchdown receptions. When factoring in rushing and receiving, RGIII accounted for 2 more touchdowns per game against FBS competition than did Trent Richardson (3.81 to 1.81).
  • Against FBS competition, RGIII took part in a touchdown once out of every 11.9 plays he was involved in, while Richardson took part in a touchdown once out of every 12.9 plays.
  • RGIII accounted for 67.7% (42/62) of Baylor's offensive touchdowns against FBS competition; Richardson accounted for 45.5% (20/44) of Alabama's offensive touchdowns against FBS competition.
  • As stated above, Griffin averaged nearly 90 more yards passing than each Baylor opponent allowed otherwise. Richardson averaged 43.8 yards more rushing that each Alabama opponent allowed.

Conclusion

I believe the objective data above supports my conclusion that Robert Griffin unequivocally deserves the Heisman above Luck and Richardson, but I think there's one more thing to consider. I said above I'm not going to point to immeasurables or external factors...I lied a little.

Let's say for a second that you think it's a closer call than I do. If you believe that Luck or Richardson might have a small statistical edge over Griffin, then think of the 3 following numbers. 1, 25, 114 (!!!). Those are Alabama, Stanford, and Baylor's ranks in total defense. What about 8.8, 20.3, 35.7? Those are Alabama, Stanford and Baylor's average points allowed per game? Say you're a "new math" guy and believe in the stuff they're slinging over at Football Outsiders...2, 22, 78! Alabama, Stanford and Baylor's Defensive S&P+ ranks. Or what about 2, 10, 78? Alabama, Stanford and Baylor's Defensive FEI ranks. Griffin has done all of that...AND won NINE games...with a Sun Belt quality defense. Yeah, they've played well in a few spurts this year - but accumulated statistics look really ugly for the Baylor defense.

If you think you could honestly look Robert Griffin or a Baylor fan in the eye and tell him that Baylor would have won more than 5 games without him, I think you're a fool. Baylor has plenty of other talent, sure, but RGIII has had arguably the best season by a quarterback in NCAA history. Period.

Take Luck away from Stanford, they still have a top 25 quality defense. They might have lost 2 or 3 more games...but they're still looking at 8-4 or 7-5 and comfortably in a bowl game.

Take Richardson away from Alabama, and they're leaning on one of the country's two best defenses. They might have lost 2 more games at most (let's forget for the moment that Eddie Lacy is far better than replacement level), but realistically they're looking at 9-3 worst case, and likely probably still 10-2 and in a BCS game.

Take Robert Griffin away from Baylor. Who on Baylor's schedule do they beat? I'll give you SFA and Rice for sure (although Baylor gave up 31 points to Rice). They don't beat TCU under any circumstances. So now, Baylor's 2-1 heading into Big 12 play. It is conceivable to me that Baylor could have lost to EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the Big 12 without RGIII this season. You want me to be very, very bullish? OK. Kansas, Texas Tech, and another upset win. That's 5-7, BEST CASE, without Robert Griffin III. Worst case? 3-9. Or in other words, a typical Baylor team. In my opinion, RGIII was at least worth 4 wins to Baylor this season.

According to the Heisman Trust, "the Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence and integrity." I won't bother with integrity...if you've spent 10 minutes reading about RGIII this year, you've read a story that proved his got it.

I believe that this season, there is an outstanding, program-transcendant player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence and integrity.

The most outstanding college football player in 2011 has been Robert Griffin III, and he should win the Heisman trophy.

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Bruce Feldman has Robert Griffin III first on Heisman ballot, Mathieu second


by DP Show on December 5, 2011 in Dan Patrick Show

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CBSSports.com’s Bruce Feldman joined the show to talk about the BCS and the Heisman.

Feldman said he’s voting for Robert Griffin III for Heisman. "Robert Griffin’s defense is ranked 113th and [Baylor] is 9-3," Feldman said.

Feldman has LSU’s Tyrann Mathieu second. "He is the X-factor on a great LSU team," Feldman said.

Feldman has Alabama RB Trent Richardson at third.

Feldman said that Oklahoma State probably didn’t necessarily get a fair shake. "Because they haven’t seen them there before, that undermines its credibility," Feldman said.

Feldman did say Alabama has a strong case, however. "The SEC has won five BCS championships in a row," Feldman said. "You’re going to get a lot of benefit of the doubt with that."

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

by lamron on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

Also RG3 talking to Dan Patrick at 8:25a

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

by lamron on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

RG3

RG3 says the defense deserves credit against UT

RG3 says UT said “that I would not win the Heisman on them”

I believe he is speaking specifically of this:

“”http://dallas.sbnation.com/baylor-bears/2011/11/28/2592353/texas-longhorns-defense-robert-griffin-iii-heisman" >We don’t plan on letting anyone win the Heisman against us," Texas linebacker Emmanuel Acho said on Monday.

also

said he was caught once on camera doing the Heisman pose, but he tries not to do it on the field. He’ll do it with fans if they request.

says he will do the pose if he wins it

Dan asked Griffin what winning a Heisman would need. "I think it’d mean everything," Griffin said. "It’s more than about me and the team. [It would mean a lot] to the city of Waco."

says Texas was trash talking during the game and they called him names that he cannot repeat on the air, says he finds it funny and does not respond

he poses for the Heisman if fans request

talks about UW bowl game, they have young good qb and says we don’t know much about em

Griffin said he’ll make his decision on going pro as late as he possibly can, so he can focus on playing in the bowl game.

his fiancee has a say along with his family

says coach Briles wants him to come back (DP laughs and says of course)

RG3 in grad school now and he gets his masters in communications in the spring

DP says your gone and he says I don’t know, DP ragging on communications curriculum

DP asking if he has an interest in politics because he could be the mayor of Waco if he wanted

DP says BU going to a good bowl game

Says that RG3 is the mvp of all college football because BU could not even find the football map and RG3 has put BU football on the map

says he is BU’s difference maker

says Heisman voters were waiting to see RG3 play before voting and that may help him

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

by lamron on Dec 5, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Thanks!

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dan will vote for Robert Griffin III for the 2011 Heisman

by DP Show on December 5, 2011 in Dan Patrick Show

Dan will cast his official Heisman vote today and here’s his order:

1. Baylor QB Robert Griffin III
2. Stanford QB Andrew Luck
3. LSU CB Tyrann Matthieu

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

by lamron on Dec 5, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Momentum.

It is building.

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by Prashanth Francis on Dec 5, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

how in the world can ANYONE vote for Mathieu?

ANYONE!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

4 non-offensive touchdowns

When Charles Woodson won the Heisman, he had one. Mathieu has four. He also is only a few recoveries away from setting the career NCAA record for forced fumbles. Mathieu is a game-changing defensive and special teams player.

But RGIII is clearly the best candidate. He set the passing efficiency record, and that’s ignoring what he does running the football. If RGIII couldn’t run, he’d still be viable candidate. Throw in the rushing stats, he crushes the QB field.

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by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

except he didnt even play the most games in CFB, which to me means he better be a total badass

and actually, you know, blow everyone away.

is mathieu the best DB on his team even?

and he is certainly nowhere as good of a players as peterson last year

i just dont think he has any business being near the heisman talk. even before you throw in that he missed time

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He missed one game...

… and LSU, if you didn’t notice, played an extra game. So he played in 12 games. That argument is a non-starter.

Yes. He’s the best DB on the team. And he’s a spectacular punt returner. You’re essentially arguing that a defensive back can’t win the Heisman, which is essentially true. But Mathieu is the best defensive player in the country, and he’s been a bigger game changer than Peterson was, which is saying something.

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by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

xx
. You’re essentially arguing that a defensive back can’t win the Heisman, which is essentially true. But Mathieu is the best defensive player in the country, and he’s been a bigger game changer than Peterson was, which is saying something.

excuse me? bigger game changer than peterson? he isnt even as good of a player as peterson!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

we are talking about a guy who is

86th in the nation in solo tackles (behind MANY DBs)
who has 2 INT
who has 1.5 sacks
who is not in the top 100 in the nation in tackles/loss per game (or total)
who averages 5.83 tackles/game (outside of top 100 in country, again behind something like 20 DBs)
who is not in the top 100 in passes deflected (2 of his fellow DBs are)

so basically you have a guy who doesnt get a lot of tackles, who doesnt get INTs, who doesnt get sacks/TFL and is somewhere around 20th in tackles for DBs

and THIS guy is in the heisman race?

his best characteristic is returning the ball. and yes, he is VERY good at it. but is he really, REALLY better than say joe adams (higher avg/punt, fewer attempts/game, more TDs) at returning punts?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

My issue:

Are we sure Honey Badger is even the best DB on his own team?

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by Prashanth Francis on Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not

Not at doing DB type of things like covering receivers.

Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.

by colonialbob on Dec 5, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Mathieu

He has 70 tackles, 2 INT, 4 fumble recoveries, 6 forced fumbles, 1.5 sacks, 6.5 TFL’s, 7 pass breakups, and 4 TD’s.

To compare him to Woodson (sorry about calling him Howard, brain cramp) — 44 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 sack, 1 TD, 9 PBU, and 8 INT.

If those numbers aren’t impressive for a cornerback, then I don’t know what to tell you. And I’m willing to bet I’ve watched more LSU football than you have, and yes, Mathieu has been a more disruptive player than Peterson.

Mo Claiborne is a better pure cover corner, though he does slip a lot, but Mathieu is a better overall player due to his versatility and special teams play.

BTW, Claiborne’s #’s: 28 tackles, 1 TFL, 0 sacks, 6 PBU, 6 INT, 2 TD

I don’t think he should win, I think voting for anyone but RGIII is crazy talk, but Mathieu is earning his way on to the ballots. Trying to say that 70 tackles for a corner on a great defense is somehow unimpressive is not very persuasive to me. And Mathieu’s numbers blow Mo’s away. Mathieu is seemingly everywhere on the field.

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by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

valid points

i can make valid points about how other players deserve the heisman…that does not mean they should even sniff it.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just not sure how much I value tackles from a CB.

There are some guys, like Antoine Winfield and others in the NFL, who have a reputation for being great in run support.

There are other guys who have high tackle counts because they’re getting thrown at a lot. I don’t know how to disentangle the two.

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by Prashanth Francis on Dec 5, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That I agree with

Mathieu has some of the oddest usage patterns I’ve ever seen. He’s our nickel corner (Simon is the other corner), but he’s even lined up at linebacker to keep him on the field. When Reid was hurt, Mathieu seemlessly moved over the safety. He doesn’t really have a position except Honey Badger.

He’s just an eye popping player.

And even with all that, he’s still no Griffin. Griffin’s cross-body pass after avoiding the rush in the dying seconds against OU is what we like to call a “Heisman moment”. That was the best display of ability I’ve seen all year. RGIII is beyond special and I can’t fathom why this Heisman race is even close (well, I can, bias against Baylor). The argument should be who is #2.

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by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

xx
He doesn’t really have a position except Honey Badger.

this is another problem i have. shouldnt a guy in heisman talk be the undisputed starter on his team (i had this same issue w/ bush winning when he split time with white)

the guy doesnt even start at CB!

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

small thing

better player/bigger impact != more disruptive

keep in mind, i dont think he is the best CB on his team, much less the best DB.

i just dont think he has ANY business even being in the top 5. i dont think he is:
the best CB on his team
the best DB on his team
the best punt returner in his division
the best player on his team

is he good? yes.
but i dont think he is any of those things.

and therefore i dont think he really deserves any talk w/ the heisman.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Punt returner is definitely arguable (I think I know who you favor... heh)

But he’s not any of the other 3, in my opinion. So I agree.

Anger logic's so great I kinda forget what we saw in regular logic in the first place.

by colonialbob on Dec 5, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i am not sure if he is far and away the best PR in his division :)

hows that

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 6, 2011 7:07 AM CST up reply actions  

To add...

… Mathieu’s candidacy is GREAT for Griffin. Because Mathieu is clearly not going to win the award, all he is doing is siphoning votes away from Richardson, Luck, and other traditional candidates from the big schools.

Those 2nd and 3rd place votes add up. Mathieu takes them away from the guys chasing RGIII.

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by Poseur on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That part about OkSt is something I've been pondering.

If UT or OU were in the same position, do we think there would be a rematch?

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by Prashanth Francis on Dec 5, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you have Attempts and Completions backwards.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 5, 2011 9:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Fantastic stuff, Therm.

Thank you for doing this.

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by Mark C. Moore on Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

This is amazing

I don’t know what to make of the QB vs RB comparison, but I do think it is astounding how much better RG3 was than Luck…and that’s before you get to the rushing stats.

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by GhettoBear04 on Dec 5, 2011 9:47 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Mark

Not sure of the situation, but thoughts and prayers to your son and family. What a great treat for him…and you!

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by TXStampede on Dec 5, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

RG3

As much as he probably deserves it, Unless we broke some NCAA records, i.e. Ricky Williams, it will be tough to win the Heisman facing competitors who got more publicity throughout the year. I wouldn’t sweat it though, to me, the Heisman Trophy has lost a lot of luster because of how these human votes have payed out in recent years where the better player goes on and beats the Heisman winner in the bowl game. The Heisman Trophy is the most overrated Trophy in college athletics. Eventually more fans and athletes will come to the same conclusion. A lot of the voters are Heisman Trophy winners with biased views and superiority complexes. A good example of this is when Sam Bradford won and you saw the other OU Heisman winners start cheering and doing OU chants like they voted for him because of the school he attended and not because he was really the best player.

by Ryan2907 on Dec 5, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

ehh

I’m talking about high profile records like Total Yards, Wins, total TDs, etc.

by Ryan2907 on Dec 5, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe the votes are actualyl thinking for a change

Here is the projections from Stiffarmtrophy.com who normally has a good beat on who will win the Heisman. I still think the Heisman is still an overrated trophy. It is still early though and it is far from certain until they get more of their votes registered.

Our latest projection

Last updated: 12/5/2011, 5:58 a.m. Pacific. 34 ballots, 94 votes. name first second third ballots points Projected Proj%
R Griffin 19 6 5 30 74 1872 67.3%
A Luck 5 11 5 21 42 1201 43.2%
T Richardson 4 4 7 15 27 713 25.6%
T Mathieu 1 2 7 10 14 377 13.6%
M Ball 1 3 3 7 12 329 11.8%
M Barkley 0 3 2 5 8 173 6.2%
R Wilson 0 2 1 3 5 171 6.1%
K Moore 0 0 3 3 3 135 4.9%

by Ryan2907 on Dec 5, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Statistics are for losers

Anyone with a pea size brain, including me, can see RGIII passes the Heisman eye test.

Isn’t that all it takes these days?

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by TXStampede on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Question for the masses

How many times in the recent history has a player from a team outside the top 10 won the award?

Sucks that his whole team might keep him from winning it, but it shows how trancedant a player he has become.

Go big or go home!!

by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

That was the one I wasn't sure about

All other Heisman winners, since the BCS started have at least played in a BCS bowl though, correct?

Go big or go home!!

by average joe blow on Dec 5, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that's correct.

This is a weird year, though. No clear candidate on LSU, the obvious #1 team in the league. Richardson is the obvious candidate, but he didn’t put up an statistically absurd season. Blackmon steals credit away from Weeden (along with his age). Luck’s Stanford looked so bad in the loss to Oregon that there are questions about how good they really are which gets reflected onto him.

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by Prashanth Francis on Dec 5, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

New Grantland: The Case for Baylor’s Robert Griffin III

Robert Griffin III should win the Heisman Trophy. From Baylor’s first game this year, when he shredded Gary Patterson’s vaunted TCU defense for 359 yards and five touchdowns, Griffin has consistently been the best performer in college football. He’s only a couple yards shy of 4,000 for the season, he’s set an NCAA record for passing efficiency, and the former track star has rushed for 644 yards and nine touchdowns just for good measure. (Keep in mind "track star" isn’t just a way to say he’s fast; Griffin is literally a track champion.) Oh, sure, stats are stats — what matters is whether he’s a winner, right? Well, he won nine games at Baylor, a team that hasn’t done that since 1986. But is he clutch? Oh yeah, that. He’s clutch.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

want me to submit it as a fanshot?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

done

http://www.ourdailybears.com/2011/12/5/2613014/grantland-the-case-for-baylors-robert-griffin-iii#comments

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 5, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Careful but I agree about RG III

Kellen Moore shredded TCU as well. The fact is that RG III is WAY better than Luck in a very important category – decision making late in a game. 4 pick 6’s ought to completely disqualify a supposedly perfect pro QB, unless all his stats are better than everyone else. Heck, Moore is way better than Luck in EVERY category except running, which Moore doesn’t do because he is a pro-style QB from his first day in High School. But Moore did not make the finals this year.

That’s OK, RG III is so far above the other 4 finalists as a complete player, any objective voter must pick him. that of course is the rub.

by HSridge on Dec 5, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Stats vs TCU

Griffin: 21/27 (77.8% completions), 359 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, 13.3 YPA.
Moore: 28/37 (75.7% completions), 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 8.6 YPA.

Moore had a good to great game against TCU. Griffin shredded them.

by thermhere on Dec 5, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The other great thing about RG III

Is his character. If this award (and the Davey O’Brien) really have character as part of the criteria, RG III is your “anti-Cam Newton” pick as well as being the best player.

by HSridge on Dec 5, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

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